Talk:Live Free or Die

Idaho's motto is not "Famous Potatoes"

Idaho's motto is not "Famous Potatoes" -it is Esto Perpetua. Illinois is not "Land of Lincoln" it is State Sovereignty, Nation Union. Either of which I think compares to Live free or die. Rmhermen 17:41 28 May 2003 (UTC)

True. I had tried to fudge the wording to cover that, but failed. I have re-inserted them in the license plate section of the article, where they belong. (Gotta get "famous potatoes" in somewhere!) -- DavidWBrooks 21:20 28 May 2003 (UTC)

Neither one of these mottos compares to New Hampshires motto of "Live free or die." In having many close personal friends from this state, I can argue that many of them live indeed by that motto. How many other states in the U.S. can boast that their residents are as proud as New Hampshire residents to recite their motto as often as they do? The whole part of being a United States citizen is summed up in those four words. LLunt — Preceding undated comment added 17:43, 10 May 2005

I like "State Sovereignty, National Union." It sums up the reconciliation of two seemingly incompatible things, that is the concept of the individual states' sovereignty over their territories and federal supremacy in laws. Dont get me wrong, "Live Free or Die" is a great motto to live by on a personal level. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Idbjoshm (talk • contribs) 18:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Quote marks in article title?

Pasted from the Village pump: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merphant (talk • contribs) 02:39, 1 June 2003 (UTC)

I have created an article for "Live free or die" - the delightfully quirky state motto of New Hampshire. The question is: Should the title have quotation marks in it? I didn't put them in because it seemed weird, but since the title refers to the words as words rather than their meaning, maybe they should be there. I can't find other article titles that are phrases to act as guidelines, although that's probably just due to lack of imagination on my part. Any thoughts? - DavidWBrooks 15:04 27 May 2003 (UTC)

It won't be an issue like that. You can't have double quotes in article titles. You can have single quotes in a title, but I wouldn't recommend it for this case, just the bare words. Furthermore, I would suggest having the actual article at State motto of New Hampshire, New Hampshire (motto), State motto (New Hampshire), or something like that, and Live free or die as a redirect to that. -- John Owens 15:10 27 May 2003 (UTC)

P.S. Hmm, judging by the single blue link I now see above, it looks as though someone else has pre-emptively disagreed with me, though. ;) -- John Owens 15:12 27 May 2003 (UTC)

There is, it turns out, already a List of state mottos page. I linked to Live Free or die from there. I'm not enthusiastic about titling the article some variant of New Hampshire (motto), since nobody cares about state mottos as such - in this case people are vastly more likely to have heard the phrase and want to find out about it, and IMHO the article title should reflect that approach. But I'm not wedded to the idea, since a search on the phrase would find the article either way -- DavidWBrooks 15:25 27 May 2003 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (slogans), where some discussion/voting on the subject is under way. I recommend Live free or die, myself. Martin

End of pasted discussion --Ken Gallager (talk) 18:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

Maynard

Under the [legal battles] section of this article, I changed "George Maynard, a Jehovan's Witness cut off 'to die' from his plate for religious reasons" back to what it was originally supposed to read, "George Maynard, a Jehovan's Witness cut off 'or die' from his plate for religious reasons". -- Kyle T. — Preceding undated comment added 23 February 2005

capitalized

I just realized that in state law (RSA 3:8) [1] the motto is capitalized Live Free or Die - normally, I would just create a page with that title and move (the administrative function, not cut-and-paste) this one there ... but alas, back in 2003, a page with the proper capitalization was created and turned into a redirect to this page. I will have to figure out how to move this page to an existing page (so we don't lose the Talk history). - DavidWBrooks 14:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Turns out it was a snap - so here we are. - DavidWBrooks 14:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Licence plates

The in regards to the statement about the irony of prison inmates making license plates under the legal section. Come on. This last part is liberal babble, other than pointing out a general observation that is known for the most part. Considering most states, if not all, have their license plates made by Prison Inmates. It should also be noted that Prisoners who make such plates volunteer for the work, get paid (admittedly not much) and appreciate the work because they learn a trade they can apply when they are rehabilitated. Also, does a statement like that belong in the legal section of the article? - Idbjoshm 18:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You may a good argument - go ahead and delete it, see whether you draw objections. - DavidWBrooks 22:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

You didn't, but your point was well-taken ... so I did. - DavidWBrooks 18:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Live Free or Die (The Sopranos episode)

I think that there should be a link to that article. Articles that share the same name must be linked together (even if it's only a sopranos episode).

I think it'd be better to create a disambiguation page because there are too many articles with that name (or close to that name). GODFATHER 18:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

There's no need to duplicate links in an article - if it's in the introductory "see also", it doesn't need to also be in the end-of-article "see also". One or the other, but not both. (I think the end of the article is sufficient, but don't feel too strongly)

As for the disambigation page idea, that sounds fine to me. Do you know how to do that properly, so the Talk page history isn't lost? This article would be Moved to, I think, Live Free or Die (motto). - DavidWBrooks 19:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Since this phrase/motto is the source for all the movies (and the episode), I was thinking that this article would remain in Live Free or Die, with a link to Live Free or Die (disambiguation).

Also, the link at the top and the info in "Cultural ref." aren't replacing each other. when there are 2 (or more) articles with the same name, all of them should be linked properly.
The info in "Cultural ref." is just an extra information about how this phrase/motto appeared in the media (and a sopranos episode is significant enough to be there). It doesn't add info to the episode article, it adds info to the motto article. GODFATHER 21:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

So you'd be comfortable with the note at the very top reading only This article concerns the motto. For other uses, see Live Free or Die (disambiguation)? and then keeping the references to the movies, books, etc. at the bottom? - DavidWBrooks 22:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Exactly (also, the note about the episode at the ref. section will remain there). Godfather ♣ Talk ♣ 23:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, I did it: Live Free or Die (disambiguation) - but the wording is terrible, and I can't figure out how to improve it. - DavidWBrooks 00:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I've done some changes there. I think it's OK for now. Godfather ♣ Talk ♣ 00:53, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Stark's exact quote

An anon changed Stark's quote slight - but the state's Web site has it this way, so I've reverted. [2] - DavidWBrooks 16:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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Complaint from a reader

So I happened to stumble into this article, and was astonished to learn that this motto did not become the state motto until *1945*. I just assumed it went back to revolutionary days. I was then bitterly disappointed to discover that the article *never gets around* to explaining *what happened*. What happened in 1945 to make them change it *then*? What was the motto prior to that? Surely I can't be the only reader to have this reaction. This article has a big hole in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.97.65 (talk) 20:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

1987 court case - I doubt it

I am dubious of this claim in the story. I can find no evidence of it online other that the unsourced sentence in the source which merely mentions "one resident" and "the courts" but nothing specific enough to check.

In 1987, when New Hampshire introduced new plates with a screened design that had the slogan lightly written on the bottom, some residents complained that the slogan was not prominent enough. One resident cut out the slogan from an older plate and bolted it on the new plate, and was prosecuted for it. The courts ruled in the driver's favor, presumably basing it on the decision in Maynard.[10]

Without a better source, I want to remove it - a court ruling concerning the license plate would have been big news in NH, if it actually happened. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 23:18, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Since nobody complained, I will remove it. If there's a good source to support the claim, of course, we can return it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 14:51, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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