Talk:Battle of Changsha (1944)

Changed title

I renamed the title of this article to Fourth Battle of Changsha, as the old title was not very helpful. I am currently trying to rename four of the pages for battles called Battle of Changsha: Battle of Changsha (1939), Battle of Changsha (1941), Battle of Changsha (1941-1942) and Battle of Changsha (1944).

This is because these four all occurred in the Second Sino-Japanese War, so it follows naming conventions for battles like Second Battle of Alamein. Also, as there are six articles called Battle of Changsha, so the current names of these four articles are not very helpful for finding the specific battle.

Enoryt nwased lamaj (talk) 07:44, 25 July 2024 (UTC)}}

Comments in the original story moved here:

[editor's note: I'm unable to verify the info about these "tenth troops", or even whether they should be called the National Guard. help?]

(translator's note: not sure what that is so I kept it intact, if someone more versed in history could translate, that would be great!)("Dong Tiao Nei Ge": [Tojo Hideki]'s cabinet)

(translator: not sure--simply faking?)("wang wei": Japanese puppet Central China government based in Nanjing, led by Wang Jingwei)

(translator: name of a treaty, not sure what the English name for it is) agreement and return to the pre-war situation of 1931.

I hope someone fix this eventually

I hope someone fix this article eventually; none of this stuff can be true --- 5 million casualties?? and then a second wave of 10 million Japanese troops?? I don't even believe part about Japan transferring troops to China in 1944 is true because by then, the Japanese empire is crumbling. If there is any transfer, it would be transferring troops from China and Korea to the home islands to defend against an expected US attack.

I'm slowly knocking it into shape but I haven't got much info. Very little seems to be on the web about the sino-japanese war in 1944. It's also difficult to ascertain the truth because the Chinese Nationalist (KMT) and Communists (CCP) have their own agendas - if anyone has any info they could let me know... user:Old Nol

Major cleanup

This article needs a major cleanup. I'm don't have a wikipeida account, so I can't do it myself. Firstly, the grammar needs some work. It looks like it's fresh out of some translator software, and some parts are particularly hard to understand. Secondly, the infobox says it was a Chinese victory. Tell me if I'm wrong, but if you read the article, it implies it was a very costly, maybe even pyhrric Japanese victory. It says the Japanese captured the city and a top Chinese general named Zhang De-neng. From what I see, the Japanese completed their objectives in the end, while at a high cost. The Chinese, while able to maintain guerilla forces in the countryside, ultimatly failed to hold the city. I don't know about anyone else, but that does NOT constitue a Chinese victory to me. It does say in the aftermath that the Japanese refused any plans to take more Chinese territory, that the Wang Jiwei government's priviliges were useless, and during the final Japanese push to Zhijiang and the Japanese troops being wiped out by the Chinese National Guard, etc. but those events happened AFTER the conclusion of this battle and therefore irrelevant to the result of the battle. And lastly, it says that this battle was "This was also the only battle where Japanese casualties was higher than the Chinese during the entire war". But in the infobox, it puts Japanese casualties at 25000, with 20,000 of those at Hengyang. But the Chinese casualties are put at 67,000. If there are an unknown number of other Japanese casualties, then it should say so in the infobox, as it is very misleading otherwise. If someone could adress these issues, that would be great. Another source might be helpful, too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.92.166 (talk) 08:36, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

• If I am not mistaken, Zhang De-neng and Fang Xianjue were both Corp commanders. Maybe their forces were understrength but they commanded several division commanders at that time. Chcyang (talk) 09:42, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Suggested revisions

I am in the process of adding a great deal of material and references to the page Defense of Hengyang. I also want to change the name to the more standard “Battle of Hengyang”, and I was looking at what other pages have links to it. I noticed many issues with the Battle of Changsha page:

The Info given in the info box is a series of strange mismatches between two battles. It should pertain to the Battle of Changsha and not include the Battle of Hengyang.

It is not correct to say that it is “also known as the Battle of Hengyang or Campaign of Changsha-Hengyang”. The Battle of Hengyang and Battle of Changsha are 2 different battles fought in different places at different times, both of which are part of the Changsha-Hengyang Campaign.

The page is under the title of the Battle of Changsha of 1944, yet oddly, there is no discussion of the Changsha battle at all.

The section Battle of Hengyang should be eliminated as this battle has its own page.

The section Aftermath should relate to the Changsha battle not to the Hengyang battle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgrmfox (talk • contribs) 20:51, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Japanese troops photo

The photo which is said to belong to IJA troops seem to be NRA troops, those uniforms do not look Japanese, and the soldier seem to be firing a BAR? 120.21.152.106 (talk) 08:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)