Talk:Baggy

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This page is not neutral. The bands need links. This page needs a lot of work.

Have now fixed a lot of problems

I think the writer was more concerned with content...and probably unaware of how to link etc. Orbtastic

Can anyone tell me why they removed a lot (over 50%) of the bands originally listed?

I imagine because someone thinks they know better. Try going to the history of the page, you can see who did it and possibly add them back?

Blur

I deleted Blur from the Baggy/Madchester list, who the hell put them in there? They arent even from that part of the country nevermind sounding like a typical Madchester band. 192.150.181.159 23:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Early Blur sound pretty baggy, e.g. There's No Other Way. True they aren't from Manchester but then this isn't the Madchester page. Bombot (talk) 15:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blur are actually a good reference for an act said to have been a bandwagon-jumper at the time, it even says so on Blur's main page (that it was Balfe and Ross' idea to go baggy). I don't think I have bothered with Leisure for about 20 years, even with it turning up in the 21 boxset. Everyone be thankful for Popscene!

Baggy

Is baggy a really a term for madchester acts. I was down their a bundle of time, in the late 80's and early 90's and never heard it said. Is it real? scope_creep (talk) 18:57, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indie-Dance/Indie-Rave

As I couldn't find a current article about the British Indie-Dance/Indie-Rave scene of the late 80s/early 90s (apart from this one and the Madchester scene) I have extended the history to include a bit about Indie-Dance in general. The 'Alternative dance' article looks like it has been written from an American viewpoint and more about dance music (with acts like The Prodigy and The Chemical Brothers who would get a play down '50p a pint night' than guitar acts who went dance) and not really about indie music (which in British terms is more "bands with guitars" than Independently released music)...

"Baggy was a name given to British indie-dance genre popular in the late 1980s and early 1990s^[1]^[2]^[3], with many of the artists referred to as Baggy being bands from the Madchester scene^[4] .

History The genesis of indie-dance was the Balearic beat scene (where you would find DJs playing an eclectic mix of records including such rock/dance crossovers like "Jesus on the Payroll" by Thrashing Doves^[5] and people like Paul Oakenfold^[6]) and the indie music scene in the north west of England, which featured Tony Wilson's Factory Records and former goth band The Stone Roses^[7] in Manchester.

Even though they were not signed to Factory Records, instead signing to Paul Birch's Revolver Records in Wolverhampton^[8]^[9]^[10] (before taking a deal with Jive Records' Silvertone), the band did have links to Tony Wilson, Martin Hannett^[11] and Peter Hook, with the New Order bassist scheduled to produce their debut album, before John Leckie took over.

It was Leckie who produced The Stone Roses single Fools Gold (an indie-dance record which had a prominant 'shufflebeat' ^[12]^[13]^[14] which came from a four-bar loop based upon Clyde Stubblefield's "Funky Drummer" drum pattern) and it was mainly fans of The Stone Roses, who stared to wear the fashions that gave the genre/scene its alternative name.

Madchester and Scally Although it was not geographically confined to the city of Manchester, many Madchester bands like Happy Mondays, Northside and The Stone Roses were described as being baggy, and vice versa. As baggy was characterised by psychedelia and acid house-influenced guitar music, often with that "funky drummer" beat, new indie-dance bands in other British cities emerged following the breakthrough of the Madchester acts, though some acts in Liverpool argued they were already part of their own scene which had emerged independently of those in Manchester (sometimes referred to as 'Scally')^[15]^[16]^[17]

Some bands, such as The Mock Turtles and The Soup Dragons, reinvented their sound and image to fit in with the new scene. This led some critics^[who?] to accuse baggy bands of bandwagon-jumping and derivative songwriting.

Bands in the indie-dance era of pop music can be divided into two camps; the acts who could be described as baggy (usually the Madchester acts and a few others such as Flowered Up from London), and those who can be described as alternative dance (i.e. Jesus Jones and The Shamen, who were more techno inspired). The Shamen would begin as a psychedelic indie rock band, sharing some of the characteristics of early shoegaze bands, but their style would morph between psychedelic indie rock and acid house, before absorbing more elements of techno".

References

The Farm

Some work is needed around articles that mention The Farm as they are being referred to as being a Madchester band on many other occasions on Wikipedia. However they need to be mentioned here under the 'Madchester and Scally' section, just before The Mock Turtles...though I haven't got the time now to write it up now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.172.230 (talk) 15:34, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and The Real People — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.172.75 (talk) 15:56, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/apr/21/madchester-manchester-interviews-hook-ryder

[2] ttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jul/07/1990s-indie-dance-boom-happy-mondays-primal-scream

[3] ttps://ilovemanchester.com/madchester-legacy-30-years-music

[allmusic-4] "Madchester". allmusic. Retrieved 2012-04-21.

[5] ttps://recordcollectormag.com/reviews/album/bedrock-vice

[6] ttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt5780152/

[7] ttps://www.fluxmagazine.com/madchester-1989/

[8] ttps://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/wolverhampton-record-label-once-attacked-18351248

[9] ttps://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/inside-story-day-stone-roses-18403651

[10] ttps://revolverrecords.com/about/history/

[11] ttps://www.radiox.co.uk/artists/stone-roses/stone-roses-debut-album-facts/

[12] ttp://www.clockworkthrob.com/Soho_Story.html

[13] ttps://www.economist.com/1843/2016/05/17/stone-roses-fools-gold

[14] ttps://www.soundgym.co/blog/item?id=the-stone-roses-fools-gold

[15] ttps://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/liverpool-acts-and-casual-fashions

[16] ttps://archive.list.co.uk/the-list/1991-11-22/13/

[17] ttps://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/08/liverpoolbands/

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