Talk:Formosan clouded leopard

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Hi, Menchi, the English name of this animal is "Formodan clouded leopard" (the first word is so weird). Please see [1]. Can you correct it? Many thanks. P.S. By the way, thanks for your efficiency of creating this new entry, too. --Wdshu 21:40, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Moved. A-giau 22:42, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Wdshu, actually the Taiwanese website you linked to made a spelling mistake there! It is Formosan Clouded Leopard. If you are specialising in Taiwanese subjects you are no doubt familiar with the "special" variety of spellings of English words used over here!! Thanks

Don't confuse the words "leopard" nad "clouded lepard". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.153.51.174 (talk) 19:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Not extinct

Not extinct, reference [2] Jcfidy (talk) 15:40, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

That's the page for the species, of which this is an extinct subspecies. Subspecies can go extinct, you know. Sumanuil (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Is it extinct or not? The whole article is in the past-tense, and reading the article seems to indicate extinction. However it is referred to as vulnerable. 2021-11-30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.64.236.231 (talk) 22:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

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Leo1pard (talk) 18:15, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

New official sightings

Should we move the species status to near extinction because of the new official sightings of the cat in Taiwan? We don't know how many individuals are left, but obviously a population does exist.Mcelite (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

This is an alleged sighting published in a newspaper, hence NOT an authenticated record, no photographic evidence. Therefore, we shouldn't do anything more than cite this alleged sighting. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 23:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree I guess the one issue for me was one source did include a photo, but I couldn't remember if that photo was of a clouded leopard on the mainland or the subspecies. I'll have to take another look again later today.Mcelite (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

Newspaper editors wont hesitate to publish photos from their archives. With an 'authenticated record' I meant a photo of a WILD clouded leopard taken AFTER it was officially declared extinct on the IUCN Red List. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 08:47, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@BhagyaMani: Still the sightings would better be briefly mentioned in the introduction?! --KnightMove (talk) 15:28, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Am really hesitant to mention this in the lead as long as this is only a rumor and before sightings are authenticated through an image. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 15:38, 13 March 2019 (UTC) See e.g. the Javan tiger: it was declared extinct in 1994, but rumors of sightings kept being published in newspapers even in 2017. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 15:43, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

If it has been published in relevant sources, there is no problem to publish an unconfirmed assertion as such. For example, the introduction in Aaron Kosminski states:

"In September 2014, author Russell Edwards claimed to have proved Kosminski's guilt using mitochondrial DNA evidence from a shawl he believed to have been left at a murder scene. His claim has not been published or verified by the peer-review process, and his methods and findings have been criticised."

A brief mention of alleged sightings in the introduction would mutatis mutandis be the same, and perfectly appropriate. --KnightMove (talk) 15:47, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Whats the problem with waiting for an official report issued by the resp. Taiwanese wildlife department ? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper agent!! Why hurry? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 15:51, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Because a) we don't know when this (or on the contrary a refutation) will ever happen and b) there is no reason to leave the reader who comes here on behalf of the new reports - like me - confused after the introduction "Oh, the new sightings are not yet mentioned at all? Oh - down there they are!" What's the use of this? --KnightMove (talk) 09:20, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

These alleged sightings have ALREADY been added and referenced : see section Formosan_clouded_leopard#Alleged sightings. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:31, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

As obvious from my last contribution, I know. So even more, what's the problem to add one sentence in the introduction? --KnightMove (talk) 15:05, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

The lead section of a wiki page is supposed to roughly reflect the page's topic according to reliable sources, whereas newspaper articles are not considered reliable, see WP:MOSLEAD and WP:SOURCES. Once these alleged sightings are authenticated and confirmed in a peer-reviewed article or official report issued by a Taiwanese authority, then it's time to include them in the lead. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 10:13, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability#What_counts_as_a_reliable_source explicitly counts mainstream newspapers to reliable sources. I don't see any reason to deny the Taiwan News that state. Anyway, I list this at WP:3O. --KnightMove (talk) 18:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

• Agree with BhagyaMani that an unconfirmed sighting is generally not lede material. There are exceptions, as with the ivory-billed woodpecker, where alleged sightings practically constitute a national past-time and grab international headlines, but note that these cases each have generated a huge amount of outside and third-person commentary - not the case here. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:38, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3644433 https://mymodernmet.com/formosan-clouded-leopard-extinct/ https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/long-reads/article/2113065/can-taiwans-formosan-clouded-leopard-claw-its-way — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judeobasquelanguage (talk • contribs) 20:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

"Developed country"

2600:1011:b020:d5f5:b80b:cc59:e6d6:12db, would you PLEASE stop trying to ram this utterly beside-the-point factoid into the lede? It is of no interest to the reader, it has no connection to the topic, it is trivially discoverable by clicking on the link Taiwan, and it runs counter the most basic Wikipedia style conventions. We do NOT preface a mention of USA with "Northern hemisphere English-speaking sovereign federal nation", for reasons that should be bleeding obvious. Stop this. I have asekd for the page to be semi-protected - if you persist in trying to ram this in, you will likely just find yourself unable to edit the page at all. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 16:12, 15 August 2019 (UTC)