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Some edits

I deleted a couple of the changes made by Nationalparks for the following reasons: Is the John O'Leary comment really of sufficient interest to include here? Or am I underestimating the significance of being a "presidential scholar?" --Feitclub 21:37, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

Nope, I deleted it. It was actually in the official report New Canaan publishes about its school system though, so that's why I put it there.--Alex Krupp 22:07, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

a) Nationalparks asserted that Brian Williams is a well-known person who lives in New Canaan. This may or may not be true, but either way I think it is a violation of Mr. Williams privacy unless he makes this information public on his personal homepage or elsewhere on the Internet. Wikipedia is not a celebrity gossip website. Alex Krupp 22:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A) If you Google [Brian Williams Canaan] you'll see that there are numerous (apparently authorized) profiles of him which mention that he lives in New Canaan. Lots of articles on town have "notable residents" sections.

B) Just because a piece of data has been listed does not preclude us from giving the significance of that data. "Affluent" is not a POV, it's a fact.

C)Therefore, I'm going to restore both pieces of information. (Also, please don't put usernames in talk page headings- it puts excess focus on the editor rather than the edits. Thanks.) -Willmcw 23:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. But why Darien and not Greenwich? Greenwich is much wealthier than either New Canaan or Darien. Alex Krupp 20:03, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

67.86.80.223 edit

b) I deleted the comment about New Canaan being one of the most affluent communities because the per capita income is already listed, so calling it affluent is unnecessary POV. Alex Krupp 22:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't write this, so I have separated the sections. Nationalparks 22:51, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the 12/16/05 edits

Only notable businesses should be included.
Only people widely known to the general public should be included in the list of notable people.
All facts must be sourced.

People

Many other people live in New Canaan, such as

Larry Ellison, L. Paul Bremer, Michael Jackson, Rosemary Klenk, David Letterman, Regis Philbin, Donald Trump, J. Krishna

and so on..........

Research Please!

I know for a fact that Michael Jackson does not live in New Canaan. It's true that he stayed briefly at Silver Hill Hospital and that caused a media sensation, but I wouldn't classify him as a notable "citizen" of New Canaan. Regis Philbin and Donald Trump??? I'm sorry, but not true. Also, who is the CEO of softsoap? Is that some sort of big mystery? Deputydog23 19:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conservative

I am a conservative who grew in NC who does not want people to think Ms, Coulter is representative of local thought. Evidnetly others want the article to reflect that misconception —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.141.171 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia is supposed to be NPOV, that's why I've been removing the POV you have been adding. Nationalparks 15:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Coulter is a whacko. Why pretend otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.141.171 (talk • contribs)

More POV? One thing that is verifiable from published sources is that she can spell, and punctuate too. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:ADBD:F13B:47EF:7212 (talk) 23:03, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Demographics Section

The demographics section is maintained by a bot, and I'm not sure if moving it to the bottom will affect the bot's ability to maintain the section or not. Does anyone know anything about this, or should we move it back just to be safe? Alex Krupp 03:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've been looking into this and can't find anything that suggests the position of demographics affects the bot at all. It was added by "rambot" which is operated by "RamMan" and I've asked him about it. But if it were a problem to move it, then wouldn't that have been mentioned somewhere in Wikipedia? I don't think it's something worth worrying about, but I'm hoping to get a response from RamMan.Noroton 04:05, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE

Here's a copy of the question I put to Ram-Man (who created the rambot, which created the demographics and geography sections) and his answer (and someone else's). He indicates it has no effect on the bot and he gives no objection.Noroton 00:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does it matter where in an article the "Demographics" and "Geography" sections go?

Does it matter to the bot (that is, does it affect how well it works)? Does it matter to you -- that is, do you care, personally? Should there be a Wikipedia style rule or recommendation to keep them in a certain spot in each article that rambot creates? I ask all this because I've been moving these sections lower down on the page in the articles for several towns and cities in Fairfield County, Connecticut (see Darien, Connecticut for example). But now I'm being told that it's "Wikipedia style" to keep them up top. There's no such official style that I can find, and if there is going to be a universal "style" or even tradition, it seems to me that those sections should appear low in the article because other, less dry and more interesting sections are better left up top. If you agree with that, or even if you don't care, that helps my position. If you disagree, well, I'd still like to know. So ... whaddaya think? And thanks for creating rambot.Noroton 01:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can't speak for the Ram-Man or Rambot, but personally I find those sections rather dry and think they ought to be at the bottom, just ahead of Refs, Exts, etc. If the article gets long, they're in the TOC for those who need to look up a fact. Now if there is some compelling or unique item in the demographics, or geography, then I'd have no problem with it earlier. But in that case it might be better to have that fact in its own section. Just my USD0.02.--J Clear 20:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I won't be moving them, so if someone else reformats, I will leave the current ordering. The bot isn't intended to make those kinds of decisions, but to leave as much of the status quo in place. Ram-Man 11:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=4

Education Section

I think the school info (SATs, college admittance) should, if not deleted entirely, be spun off into a school section. I'm not from the area, so don't think it approprite to tackle.Hillsboro 16:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever happens to these statistics, they will need to be referenced. Nationalparks 17:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They come from the New Canaan public schools website, which is currently linked to by the article. Alex Krupp 19:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Gordon, former resident but notable?

After doing a Google search I deleted this recent addition to the Notable People section:

Robert ("Bob") Gordon, former Head Editor for Time-Life & VP incharge of advertising,- former resident

My mind is open if a case can be made to keep him in, but as of now I just don't see it. Perhaps this is one of the Robert Gordons out there who wrote some interesting books, or perhaps he did something to make him notable. If the claim to notability is simply the position of a person in a company, then my feeling is that the person should be CEO and the company should be well known (Time-Life is such a well known division that I think it would qualify if the CEO lived in New Canaan, but that's just my opinion). I think the least notable person on the New Canaan list is the head of Morton's Steakhouse chain and we probably shouldn't have someone on the list who's less notable than that. Just my thoughts.Noroton 19:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The head editor of a magazine is essentially the CEO. I think being editor of Time-Life is notable since it was a huge cultural icon in the past, even though Time today is IMHO a trashy tabloid dedicated to pimping the iPod and other trendy crap. However, I agree that the fact that he was in charge of advertising is non-notable. Alex Krupp 20:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Harvard Five

Some of the information in the Harvard Five section of this New Canaan page is also in a page that we have added called the Harvard Five. Should we consolidate these two pages or does it belong in both places? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bri&Suz (talk • contribs) 17:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Gentleman's agreement

I don't know where to put this exactly--here seems as good a location as any. I believe that the book Gentleman's Agreement was in fact about antisemitism in Darien, not in New Canaan.Ehpk5147 (talk) 02:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. You have a fair point. I haven't read the book, but in digging around I'll point out three comments: 1) The article on Darien, Connecticut definitely mentions the book already (so it's not missing from there), 2) the snippit views that I can see of related books do mention some comments to support this (e.g. this), and 3) I was able to see a copyright quote (which I won't paste here) of the acutal book in question and it appears it does focus on Darien, but mention (in passing) that New Canaan is "even worse" without going into more detail (see page 223 - snippet here). I think it's okay to stay in there. Regards, 7 02:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any source to to show that New Canaan is ‘even worse’? It should either be included, or noted that the statement can not be verified. 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:ADBD:F13B:47EF:7212 (talk) 23:07, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

notable residents

I removed the following items from the section on notable residents, as these persons' association with the town is not supported by sources and/or the nature of their association is not described and in many cases is likely to be trivial. I remove this to reduce the entrapment of new editors in edit warring with experienced editors who have been enforcing an unclear, arbitrary standard. For more discussion in general about the standard that should apply and how to stop the churning of Connecticut town articles on this point, please see wt:CONN.

The removed names:

Emily Barringer (1876–1961), physician and the first female ambulance surgeon – lived in town.
Lorenzo Borghese, the bachelor for season nine of The Bachelor
Solon Borglum, sculptor
L. Paul Bremer, Director of the Office for Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance for postwar Iraq – raised in New Canaan
H. Keith H. Brodie, former Duke University president – former resident
Bliss Carman, Canadian poet – resident for the last 20 years of his life (1909–1929)
Henry S. Coleman (1926–2006), acting dean of Columbia College, Columbia University who was held hostage during the Columbia University protests of 1968.^[1]
Anthony Comstock namesake of Comstock Law, born in town (George Bernard Shaw coined "comstockery" after him), namesake of Comstock Hill Rd in town
Harry Connick Jr., singer – resident
Ann Coulter, conservative author and media personality – raised in town
Norman Cousins, editor, peace activist – former resident^[2]
Roland Crandall, early animator – lived in town
A. J. Cronin, Scottish-born novelist – former resident
Paul Dano, actor – raised in town
Jack Douglas, writer – former resident
Phoebe Dunn (author) Writer and photographer – former resident (until her death)
Gerald Green (1922–2006), author of The Last Angry Man among other works – lived in town
Florence Harding, former First Lady – lived in town as a young woman.
Katherine Heigl, actress – raised in town
Carl Hovde (1926–2009), professor and dean during the Columbia University protests of 1968.^[3]
Jeff Immelt, CEO of General Electric – lives in town
Philip C. Johnson (1906–2005), architect who built and lived in the Glass House in town
David Letterman, Late Show host – former resident
Christopher Lloyd, actor – his mother, who was a member of the Lapham family, sold Waveny Park to the town of New Canaan.
Douglas Marland, soap opera head writer
Martin Mull, actor and comedian of Roseanne and My Bodyguard, moved to town when he was 15 and graduated from New Canaan High School
David Neeleman, founder of JetBlue Airways – resident
Eliot Noyes, Architect – former resident. Member of The Harvard Five, a group of architects including Philip Johnson, John Johansen, Marcel Breuer, Landis Gores and John Black Lee who built modern homes in the town from the 1940s through the '70s.
Maxwell Perkins, editor of F. Scott Fitzgerald, Thomas Wolfe and others – former resident
Christopher "Mad Dog" Russo, sports talk-show personality formerly of WFAN radio, currently with Sirius XM Radio – resident
Paul Simon, singer and songwriter – resident
Warren Allen Smith, author of "Who's Who in Hell"
Stuart Symington, U.S. senator and secretary of the Air Force – died in town
Arthur Szyk, anti-Nazi cartoonist and book illustrator and artist
Bill Toomey, 1968 Olympic decathlon champion – former resident
Heidi Voight, Miss Connecticut 2006, actress – resident
Barry Williams of The Brady Bunch – former resident
Brian Williams, anchor of NBC Nightly News – resident
Max Pacioretty, Montreal Canadiens forward

I welcome more information about any of these. Note it does not suffice to assert that a Wikipedia article about the person mentions New Canaan. For items to be in the New Canaan article, the support needs to be within the New Canaan article, and it needs to show an association that is significant in some way (such as being cited and valued by the townspeople). --do ncr am 00:17, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Martin, Douglas. "Henry S. Coleman, 79, Dies; Hostage at Columbia in '68", The New York Times, February 4, 2006. Accessed September 12, 2009.
^ http://history.nasa.gov/EP-125/part2.htm
^ Hevesi, Dennis. "Carl F. Hovde, Former Columbia Dean, Dies at 82", The New York Times, September 10, 2009. Accessed September 11, 2009.

Nationally known artist Arthur Szyk lived and worked in New Canaan for some time; many of his works are listed as being published from there. The chief Rabbi of New Canaan eulogized him on his death. All this info is in his wiki article. He seems notable enough to be put on the list of residents. 98.51.147.121 (talk) 16:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Silvermine Road

This name seems very old. Was there ever a silver mine in the area? I see no record of it. If not, why the name? 2A00:23C7:E287:1900:ADBD:F13B:47EF:7212 (talk) 23:23, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Martin, Douglas. "Henry S. Coleman, 79, Dies; Hostage at Columbia in '68", The New York Times, February 4, 2006. Accessed September 12, 2009.

[2] ttp://history.nasa.gov/EP-125/part2.htm

[3] Hevesi, Dennis. "Carl F. Hovde, Former Columbia Dean, Dies at 82", The New York Times, September 10, 2009. Accessed September 11, 2009.

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