Talk:Crossfire (American TV program)

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Exit polls

Reflections on the exit polls keep changing but apparently 80 % of the vote consisted on the "right" religious vote and their moral values. Do the religious right also believe being at War to be moral too?Canada 21—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.188.201 (talk • contribs) 5 November 2004

Bad comparison

With the increasing popularity of alternatives like the Fox News Channel, Crossfire saw decreasing viewership.

That's like saying a skyscraper is an alternative to a room. Can someone come up with a more decent comparison? What other programs are out there that are like Crossfire?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.160.195.187 (talk • contribs) 10 January 2005

Fired?

Tucker Carlson was fired from Crossfire? I thought he/they had been planning for him to leave for a while---even before Stewart's appearance in October. Can somebody verify this? FatherGuidoSarducci 01:15, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

CNN decided to specifically not renew his contract. He was defintely fired. I don't know off hand whether it was because of Jon Stewart, but Carlson only looked to MSNBC after CNN let him go, not before.[[1]]Thorburn 20:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which begs the question -- why does it not specifically say that? The way it's written now makes it sound like he left voluntarily -- that was definitely not the tone in CNN's news releases. Rhombus 03:50, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's some debate as to whether Carlson was "fired" or if he voluntarily allowed his contract to expire. Carlson claims he already had expressed his intention to not continue the show. [[2]]

Jon Stewart's interview was part of the reason Crossfire was canceled (I don't think anybody here will deny that). However I believe Tucker Carlson was planning on leaving sometime before that.

Where is the proof that Crossfire was cancelled as a result of Jon Stewart's appearance? The footnote provided is simply to the YouTube video of that appearance, which is not evidence to support the claim that Jon alone was responsible. This should be revised —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.167.8 (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly Carlson himself or another bow-tied Young Republican Richie Rich-type edited the Jon Stewart section of this article. It's so very Fox-like! As for Carlson planning to leave CNN before his well-deserved utter decimation, well, sure he was, mmm-hmm.24.113.146.196 (talk) 23:50, 2 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

i believe this article does need serious clearing up in terms of NPOV, both on the comparison of the hosts and on the general tone. Examples:

- "The show now seldom discussed issues, rather it was straight politics and political strategy with a rota of party consultants and strategists reading their party's talking points of the day"

- "Sununu was witty and tremendously informed on issues and a worthy opponent for Kinsley."

- "But its descent into a forum for nothing other than partisan politics, and the establishment of more entertaining rivals, saw Crossfire lose ground and its death was little mourned."

so I am going to put a NPOV-template on the site.

Sirana 12:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- There was a comment 24 February 2006 by User:Dean B, which the author then removed. I thought I'd point it out because it went into detail as to what the author had done to try to make the article more neutral. It's still there in the page history, of course. --Lawikitejana 03:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. This seems to be a transcript of an analysts article, and does not even attempt to be neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spearman (talk • contribs) 2 July 2006

I agree as well. In fact, I was surprised to see that apparently no one had added the template already. Now, of course, I realize that Sirana had done so, but was inexplicably and unjustifiably countered by User:68.17.184.156. The template is now restored. I'd try to do the NPOV work, but frankly, I don't feel I know the show well enough. --Lawikitejana 03:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this is the worst NPOV I've ever seen. The article should exist, but I wonder if we should blank it and start over again because the edits would take forever. StayinAnon 19:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Links

I have just added a couple of extra links in the final article with Jon Stewart. I think that it would benificial to the general Wikipedia public if someone could fill in the rest of the new articles entitled "Public Discourse" and "Partisan Hackery" (The latter may have an article already, it hasn't linked to anything, so it may just be the sentence structure.)I think that defining these important topics will help the general public in understanding some of this informal political terminology. --Dark Observer

Some analysis is required

Now that this show has been dead for over a year, I think that additional context is required to explain the show's demise. I have chosen to attempt to characterize why the show lost its relevance. Jon Stewart did not single-handedly kill this show: it started to stink sometime soon after 9/11. I am rather open-minded about where the analysis show go, but this is probably a case where we can work together to come up with WHY the show stank. I do not want to get caught in the middle of some silly liberal/conservative NPOV mudfest. Let's try to come up with a fair explaination and put it into the lead section so that the reader does not have to necessarily read the whole article before that have a fair idea about why the show is gone. -- PinkCake 21:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As it is today, the article doesn't directly link the cancellation of the show to the appearance of John Stewart. It only appears to show correlation. However, it appears John Stewart had a large influence on the decision considering the president of CNN, Jonathan Klein, specifically cited John Stewart's opinion as an influencing factor in the decision. [[3]]

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BetacommandBot 11:40, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ferraro & Press

The sentence "Both were Democrats" after Geraldine Ferraro & Bill Press were mentioned as taking over the chair on the "left" seems out of place here. Unless we are going to start plugging in party affiliations next to everyone mentioned in the article (a redundant act if ever there was one) I'm going to pull the sentence (which is a hanging one anyway).

24.115.50.83 14:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! Forgot to sign in first!

Perm Dude 14:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stewart section

While the Jon Stewart appearance is certainly a turning point in Crossfire's history, this section seems now to include virtually every remark made by Stewart on the show. We do have links to the video and transcript of the appearance and this section now seems too long and not encyclopaedic. It should be possible to cut this section back, and paraphrase his remarks, and the responses of the hosts. I'll have a go but I'll wait first to see if there are good arguments against a careful trimming of this section. Dean B (talk) 19:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WOW, I had no idea... Jon Stewart basically got Crossfire cancelled! That's pretty amazing if you think about it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.173.225 (talk) 14:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure) The Duke of Nonsense^{What is necessary for thee?} 23:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Crossfire (TV series) → Crossfire (U.S. TV program) – There are two issues here. The first is that this is insufficiently disambiguated from the other two TV shows with this title, Crossfire (Canadian TV program) and Crossfire (UK TV programme) (as per Crossfire (disambiguation)#Television). The second is that, under WP:NCTV, this is not a "TV series" (i.e. with "continuing story elements"), but a "current events debate television program" as the article's own lede makes clear. So it should be disambiguated with "TV program" as per WP:NCTV, with additional "by country" disambiguation to disambiguate from the other two Crossfire programs. Crossfire (TV series) should redirect back to the disambiguation page. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Per IJBall's reasons. Per WP:NCTV it should indeed be a "program" and not a "series" and the country should be added as there are 2 other programs with the same name. --Gonnym (talk) 21:29, 31 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support per IJBall. -- Netoholic @ 07:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.