Talk:Chevrolet Camaro

4th Gen Camaro's

I just saw that traction control was standerd equipment on the fourth gen camaros, it was not. My 1992 does not have it as do others I know this was an option although most dealers orderd it, so the vast majority of z28 owners just assume it was standerd. I will leave it off for a few days then do the edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supercopone (talk • contribs) 06:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC) 92 was not a fourth gen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.27.9.20 (talk) 20:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Disregard my previous comment, I actually researched it --AlxeMsatain (talk) 04:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

That was a bad section header, it was unrelated

just a question, but what do you call these cars when you take the design of an older car like the ones listed above. and remake them years later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.0.112 (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, DON'T take my word for this, but retrofitting? that in the def, was one of the 4 definitions, also by the way, it was ford who did this first, with the mustang in 2005, then it was dodge with the Challenger, then ford again, the chevrolet, then dodge again. --AlxeMsatain (talk) 04:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Trivia

I removed the "Notable Appearances" section because there is nothing notable about anything in the section, it is just a list of popular culture references, waiting to grow and get worse. How many movies had a star drive a Camaro? How many popular songs mention a Camaro? If this section stays, they will eventually all be listed. And will add absolutely nothing of value to the article. As WP:Handling Trivia notes: At heart, much trivia is an attempt to connect partially-related topics through a given context. This section contains the name of one actor, and three films. The section does nothing but connect those popular culture references to the Camaro. It adds no useful facts or context to the story of the Camaro; it is just trivia. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trivia sections) says that Trivia sections should be avoided, therefore, I deleted the section, and I continue to believe it should be deleted.--Paul (talk) 00:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

In the case of a mass market models such as the Camaro, there are too many instances of so-called "Notable appearances" that most often attract non-notable mentions (but are considered significant by their editors) of films, songs, television, etc. that have not "influenced the sales, design or other tangible aspect of the vehicle." This quote comes from WP:WPACT. It goes on to explain "such facts belong in the article about the owner, movie or TV show."

This article about the Camaro is an overall review of several generations of this model spanning many decades. The focus should be on the history of the vehicle. It should not be expanded with all sorts of cultural references. Those can be explained in detail within their own respective articles -- if deemed noteworthy there.

In summary, the Camaro's "Notable appearances" section should be removed, per WP:WPACT guidelines. CZmarlin (talk) 02:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Camaro is a small town to the west-north-west of the Sicilian city of Messina. It's more like a suburb of Messina now. 203.214.22.116 (talk) 04:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

CHEVROLET CAMARO

Chevrolet Camaro Performance & Efficiency Standard Features

• Engine: 3,564 cc V 6 double overhead cam with VVT ( 11.3 :1 compression ratio ; four valves per cylinder)
• Fuel: unleaded ( 87 octane)
• Gasoline direct injection fuel system
• 19.0 gallon fuel tank
• Power: 312 HP ( 233 kW) @ 6,500 rpm; 278 ft lb of torque ( 377 Nm) @ 5,100 rpm

Chevrolet Camaro Handling, Ride & Braking Standard Features

• ABS
• Four disc brakes including four ventilated discs
• Electronic brake distribution
• Electronic traction control via ABS & engine management
• Immobilizer
• Rear limited slip differential
• Stability control
• Multi-link front and rear suspension independent with stabilizer bar and coil springs
• Tire kit

Chevrolet Camaro Exterior & Aerodynamics Standard Features

• Painted front and rear bumpers
• Day time running lights
• Driver and passenger power painted door mirrors
• External dimensions: overall length (inches): 190.4, overall width (inches): 75.5, overall height (inches): 54.2, wheelbase (inches): 112.3, front track (inches): 63.7, rear track (inches): 64.1 and curb to curb turning circle (feet): 37.7
• Complex surface lens halogen bulb headlights
• Metallic paint
• Fixed rear window with defogger
• Weights: curb weight (lbs) 3,780
• Windshield wipers with variable intermittent wipe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.26.184.181 (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

What is "curb weight"? 98.245.148.9 (talk) 19:07, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is your friend: Curb weight.--Paul (talk) 19:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, what is 'curb weight'?

24.9.117.18 (talk) 22:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Citations

Greetings, To help improve citations for the history and general information of the vehicle already included in this entry, the Edmunds Camaro History page might be a good verifiable third-party resource. The Camaro website could be another resource for current information regarding the current model. GMArchivist (talk) 19:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

copo camaro's

Most of the Chevy Camaros were ordered using the Regular Production Option (or RPO) method. This provided a wide variety of performance and styling upgrades, but the Central Office Purchase Order (COPO) is legendary for creating rare, super secret, high performance Camaros.

The COPO system was truly intended for more mundane fleet type of alterations. The most common use of COPO system was to specify fleet paint schemes for municipal vehicles, heavy duty springs and special fabrics for use in taxicabs. It was never intended for creating ultra high performance Chevrolet vehicles, but try telling that to Don Yenko, Baldwin-Motion, and Berger Chevrolet.

Don Yenko of Canonsburg, Pennsylvania, is largely credited with being the first to exploit Chevy’s COPO system. Exploiting it, is probably not the right term to use here, Yenko simply build Chevrolets the way he thought they should have been built all along, more powerful.

Chevrolet had two primary COPO codes for camaro 9560 and 9561. There were also, perhaps one of the best keep secrets, the COPO 9567 option.

Without a doubt, the most exotic of all Camaros were those rare 1969 models equipped with COPO 9560, which cost $4,160.15 above the cost of a base Camaro coupe. The price tag ran higher if any other options were ordered. At $7,000 new, it was quite simply, the most exotic engine available at the time from any auto maker, the all-aluminum ZL1 427.

The ZL1 featured an aluminum cylinder case, cylinder heads, intake manifold, and even an aluminum water pump. The ZL1 was fitted with forged aluminum Chevrolet TRW pistons, which squeezed on the air/fuel mixtue at 12.25:1. This predominantly aluminum ZL1 engine was incredibly lightweight. For comparison, the ZL1 weighted roughly the same as a typical cast-iron “small block” 350 V-8.

Chevrolet was hoping to get the ZL1 Camaros into the lower class in the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) and the International Hot Rod Association (IHRA) drag racing, because they knew results at the track was results in the showroom. Chevy under rated the horsepower at 425, but both sanctioning bodies quickly saw through chevrolets facade and re-classed the ZL1 engine into the appropriate class. Word spread fast, the stock ZL1′s were churning out nearly 550 horsepower on the dyno.

Professional engine tuners, quickly changed from the pathetic cast-iron exhaust manifolds to tubular exhaust headers which allowed the engine the produce enormous horsepower. Though teams kept the true horsepower secret, drag strip performances in the mid-10-second bracket indicated that they were developing around 600 horsepower.

Today, these COPO Camaros are some of most coveted Camaros ever. This was not the case the late 60′s, given its steep price tag most Camaro buyer passed on these exotic optioned Camaros. In fact, most of the 9560-equipped Camaros that made it to the dealers’ showrooms sat there for ages before ultimately being sold at a steep discount to get them off the lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.97.158 (talk) 22:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Was it introduced September 26 or September 29?

The date of the introduction of the Chevrolet Camaro listed in this article (Sept. 29) is contrary to the date listed in the following article (Sept. 26): Chevrolet Camaro (first generation) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Camaro_(first_generation)

The correct date for the introduction of the new Camaro at Chevrolet dealerships is Thursday, September 29, 1966. See here. CZmarlin (talk) 00:21, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

What you think of a camaro

I think they are the best looking or one of the best looking cars out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.86.177 (talk) 17:44, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

COPO ??

I understood this acronym to stand for Central Office PRODUCTION Order.....not PURCHASE order. Right ?? Wrong ?? H2RICK (talk) 03:41, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

The acronym COPO stands for Central Office Production Order. See here (American Muscle by Randy Leffingwell, page 75) - CZmarlin (talk) 12:26, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2014

Josay Guapo (talk) 10:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 10:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I drive a 1992 I-ROCZ with the LT-1. It's the truth.I'd say there's less than you think are out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.87.22.126 (talk) 07:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but the last IROC-Z was built prior to midnight 31 December, 1989, as the license to use the name by GM expired at that point (1985-1990). Any cars produced afterwards, while still mechanically identical, were labeled merely as Z28's. Also, no third gen Camaro was ever produced and sold publically with the LT1 engine. You may have a 1992 Camaro that someone swapped an LT1 into (a common swap), and there are countless examples of fraudulently re-badged third gen Camaro's with IROC-Z graphics and emblems. Thirdgen.org, Nastyz28.com, and GM's own production numbers can verify all of the above, as well as numerous books and sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:B01B:F340:349B:631F:1A70:71E1 (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Class

The infobox currently lists the Chevrolet Camaro as a Pony Car, Muscle Car and a Sports Car. Barring rare exceptions (i.e. a car could be both a sports car and a roadster) a car should only fall into one classification. The only other instance of a car having more than one class would be if one generation of the car was classified as one class and then the automaker completely revised the car but kept the existing name and the revised car was now a different class (i.e. the original Thunderbird was a 2 seat roadster vs. the Thunderbird from the 70’s was a mid-sized coupe)

While the definition of muscle car would typically exclude the Camaro, the term muscle car has been diluted from its original meaning some could argue it would include the Camaro however would it be agreed that a car can’t be both a pony car and a muscle car?

Lastly, the Camaro is not a sports car. A sports car has only 2 seats. Although there are some rare exceptions (Porsche 911 is a 2+2 and is considered a sports car) the Camaro would not fall into this exception. Even the Wikipedia page on Sports Cars discusses that while some cars may have a sporty image (sport compacts, muscle cars, etc.) and may even be called sports cars for marketing purposes, it does not effectively make them sports cars.

I edited the page recently to list the Camaro as only a Pony car however another user reverted the edit citing the Camaro is listed on the muscle car page. Upon reviewing the Wikipedia muscle car page, it specifically lists the Camaro as a Pony car in the Muscle car Revival section. The classification of “pony car muscle models” listed on the muscle car page seems highly dubious as well.

Based on the above, it makes sense to classify the Camaro as a Pony Car only and remove it from being labeled a Sports Car or Muscle Car.

Please revise the class in the infobox on the Camaro from Pony Car, Muscle Car and Sports car to Pony Car.

Let me know your thoughts.

Expandinglight5 (talk) 04:40, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm the "another user", so I'll throw my 2 cents in.

A pony car has a "long hood, short deck" but doesn't always have a big engine (eg the Mustang often had a boring 6 cylinder).

A muscle car has a V8 in a light body.

A sports car is obviously meant for sporty driving (although the early Mustang and Camaro don't excel at handling).

The Camaro is definitely a pony car. It is also a muscle car but only when not stuck with a 4 or 6 cylinder engine. Purists will argue it is not a sports car (handling sucks on early models) but most will accept it as a low level sports cars - ie not at teh Porsche level but defeintly a lot sportier than the typical family hauler.

I have no problem with it being in multiple categories.  Stepho  talk  08:31, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

All versions of the Camaro can be classified as "pony car" and only those with appropriately powerful V8 engines can also be under the broad "muscle" category. However, the majority of typical consumer and rental fleet sales are hardly "sports" related. Moreover, the "sports car" term has been applied to almost all types of vehicles mainly to make them more marketable. For example, a "2015 Toyota Yaris 1.5 Sport" version is still a economy sedan, not a "sports car" by any definition. Of course, it may be viewed as more "sporty" by the advertising agency (and even by the buyer) than the base model that lacks the fancy wheels and rear deck spoiler, but having such an model in the lineup does not justify adding the "sports car" category. The majority of "sports car" references to the Camaro are self-serving boastful superlatives (BS) by the manufactures, its marketing efforts, and associated automotive media that owe their existence to the automaker and the legions of dedicated brand enthusiasts. In short, an authoritative encyclopedia article should not be used to promote the boastful superlatives that are generated by the manufacturer and their marketing agencies. Just my thoughts - CZmarlin (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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The terms "muscle car" and "pony car" are too subjective

See WP:CARCLASS for more information. Everyone has different perspectives on what is considered a muscle/pony car. Just like with super/hypercar 137.25.35.93 (talk) 22:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I suggest replacing with the more simple "sports car" 137.25.35.93 (talk) 22:44, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

The guideline you reference didn't mention anything of the sort until you tried to slip it in there without consensus trying to push your position.

The pony car article is well-sourced, and the term is well-known and widely used. Just because you don't like the classification doesn't negate its existence. --Sable232 (talk) 18:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Clarification for production stop?

Concluding the 4th gen section: Chevrolet offered a 35th anniversary edition for the 2002 model year. Production of the F-Body platform was discontinued due to slowing sales, a deteriorating market for sports coupés, and plant overcapacity, but an entirely new platform went on sale in 2009. <snip>

Would rewording/rearrangement assist here? IMO, there's room for clarification to explain why Chevrolet ceased production after the 2002 anniversary edition before initiating the 2006/2007 concept redesigns as subsequently mentioned in the 5th gen section. Seems like they could redesign in advance. Why wait until 2009 to sell new cars? Gprobins (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2019 (UTC)