Talk:MS Achille Lauro

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I sailed on the Achille Lauro in 1969 and it was a cruise ship. I think the wrong date has been used in this article 202.129.237.234 (talk) 23:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

This page is a mess 72.0.175.144 10:26, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

I saw The Death of Klinghoffer in 1991 in NY. But I don't remember any contraversy. What specifically was the contraversy? Kingturtle 08:15 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Many people thought the Palestinians were portrayed too sympathetically.

BTW, who was the person that the ship was named for? -- Zoe

The mayor of Naples back in the 1950s. Matt Deres 13:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Hmm . . . the hijackers were PLF, but the lawsuit was against the PLO? I see from the PLF article that the two were somewhat intertwined, but shouldn't there be some clarification of that here? Ventura 17:32, 2004 Sep 23 (UTC)

For that matter, in what court and in what matter do you sue an organization like the PLO? Anybody who knows the details, please add information for us. LotSolarin 19:57, 2004 Oct 7 (UTC)

Could This Article Be Enhanced?

For example how has the hijacking been linked to the bombing of the PLO headquarters six days earlier? Can there be a source supplied for this? Or else it is rational to think the attack have happen otherwise as the PLO has violence against civilians. Was the American positively dead when he was thrown into the water or was he shot and wounded and dumped into the sea still alive? -John-M

Fire

Would anybody be able to cite news articles relating to the sinking of the ship, or indeed any accident report or at least add the cause of the fire, any further info would settle my curiosity and be useful to the article W022a 20:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

One Article or Two?

Should there be an Achille Lauro article and one on the hijacking?

It seems this article is, currently, mainly about the hijacking, with details on the ship of lesser importance.

The ship seems, in fact, to have had a rather chequered career, if this BBC article is to be believed. V. berus 02:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be good to create a new section of the article about the ship's Construction, early career, career with Star Lauro, etc.

I am adding that the ship had a sister, Angelina Lauro, to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marinearchit (talk • contribs) 22:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Registry

The ship was apparently owned by an Italian firm, but with which nation was it registered? —SlamDiego 02:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, various sources say that it was of Italian registry. —SlamDiego 02:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Black Operations

If Ari Ben-Menashe is to be believed in Profits of War, the attempted bombing of the El Al plane in London by Nizar Hindawi and the Hijacking of cruise liner Achille Lauro and the killing of Leon Klinghoffer were set up by Mossad as 'black operations'.Sidney Harry 20:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC) on Abu Abbas living in luxury in Israel and not being handed over to Italy because he knows too much, see this link:

http://www.natall.com/pub/2003/042603.txt Sidney Harry 21:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a vague feeling that this anti-Semitic conspiracy-mongering is too much even by wikipedia's lax standards. 74.212.17.148 00:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This anti-Semitic conspiracy-mongering' comes from the book of Ari Ben-Menashe who is Jewish, an Israeli, and former Mossad operative! He spent most of his life serving his country and Mr. Shamir. Your vague feeling is right, it is too much for Wiki. Wikipedia, I imagine, is policed by AIPAC funded administrators who erase this type of information in a flash. Sidney Harry 22:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC) Sidney Harry 20:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Marx was also Jewish, and an anti-Semite. Please stop abusing logic. 74.212.17.148 03:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

According to Ben-Menashe, Israel engaged in black propaganda operations were Israel funded and send the terrorits while they were unaware that they were used Israel. This doesn't make Ben-Menashe an anti-simite anyway. Israel did similar things in the past. This reminds me with the israeli false flag scandle operation of Lavon Affair.--188.161.252.119 (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Popular culture section

I've reinstated this - it s of great interest that a film and an opera have been written about the hijacking of this ship. I'm not sure why the material was removed. 81.151.231.52 (talk) 20:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Infobox request by WikiProject Ships

An infobox has now been added. WikiEK (talk) 05:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Disagreement between Italy and U.S.

"..and was resolved five hours later when the Americans allowed Italy to take the hijackers into custody" What the hell have the US allow to Italy in Italy? This should be substituted or cancelled.84.58.76.101 (talk) 17:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

I am afraid I have no idea what "What the hell have the US allow to Italy in Italy" means. However the "disagreement" was rather serious - Americans and Italians pointing guns at each other, each claiming the right to be in charge. As this was on Italian soil the answer should have been obvious, but might prevailed in the end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 05:51, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Naming of this page

I know the ship is most famous for its hijacking when known as the Achille Lauro, but I thought that the convention for ships on Wikipedia is that the article goes under their first name ie this article should be Willem Ruys, with a redirect from Achille Lauro to the Willem Ruys page. Or have I got it wrong?

I've also changed the order of the infobox and the hierarchy of the headings within the article - the infobox to give the dates chronolgically; the article to reflect its career as Willem Ruys and then as Achille Lauro. Any thoughts? 86.133.55.222 (talk) 20:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps one way round this is to have a separate article on the hijacking 86.133.55.222 (talk) 20:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships) states that if a ship has changed name or nationality, it should be placed on the title for the "best known" name, and the other redirected. In light of the hijacking (which right now is not large enough to be spun off into its own article, by the way), I'd say Achille Lauro is the better-known name in this case. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd agree with the above, the ship was more notable under the name Achille Lauro. Apart from that, I like the chronological ordering of the infobox as well as the changed headings... although I think I'll fine-tune them a bit to make them conform with the formatting in other ship articles. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 09:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Further scope for expansion

Wikimedia Commons has a basic history of the ship which includes things not mentioned in the article. This is not a WP:RS, but give scope for further research in expanding the articl. Details here' Mjroots (talk) 22:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

This website in Swedish] would appear to corroborate the info given on Commons. Mjroots (talk) 22:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

That particular website is, in my experience, quite reliable. If anyone fancies expanding the article further, there's some information available at the Simplon Postcards website here. Outside the internet, William H. Miller's book The Last Blue Water Liners (should be available in libraries, I was able to find it in Finland) also dedicates a chapter to the Achille Lauro (& Angelina Lauro), as does Peter Plowman's recently published Australian Migrant Ships 1946-1977. — Kjet (talk · contribs) 11:53, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

And then he remembers... The Great Ocean Liners also has an article on the Willem Ruys/Achille Lauro]. On the books department Kurt Ulrich's Monarchs of the Sea and Oliver le Goff's Ocean Liners also include information on the ship. — Kjet (talk · contribs) 20:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Arafat's negotiations

Can anybody put more details about the Arafat's role in negotiations leading to end the crisis? --188.161.252.119 (talk) 09:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

The Mossad on the Achille Lauro

It has been documented several years ago that the Mossad where really responsible for the attacks on the Achille Lauro. Look it up. Do the research. http://www.mediamonitors.net/gillespie1.html Nunamiut (talk) 04:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Wreck location?

Does anyone know the coordinates of the wreck? --RThompson82 (talk) 09:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Let's not talk nonsense: Arab terrorists were responsible for the attack on the Achille Lauro, the Mossad has absolutely nothing to do with it

I think you should at least delete patently absurd things, such as the claim that "the Mossad was responsible for the attack on Achille Lauro". The terrorists were Arabs, their leader was notorious Al-Molqi, and they officially declared they had committed the attack with reference to the Palestinian cause, besides brutally killing a Jewish cripple named Leon Klinghoffer. I also doubt the US would have strenuously tried to arrest them if they belonged to the Mossad! Check any source which doesn't come from a lunatic asylum and you will find out that is the truth. Opinions are one thing, facts another one, and only an illiterate can say it was the Mossad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.219.55 (talk) 10:57, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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Achille Laura m.v.

I cannot find documented on your pages the journey which I undertook in the late 1960’s aboard The Achille Laura ! I travelled from Australia(Melbourne) to Sydney via Wellington N.Z. and then on towards Cape Horn where we suffered a terrible Pacific storm outside of the Magellan Straits with mountainous waves. The ship cut engine and we waited for the storm to pass. We slowly and carefully entered the straits of Magellan passing a huge glacier, I then disembarked in Punta Arenas in Chile. After that we headed towards Argentina up the river Plat where the ship felt as if it was bumping on the river bed. We then travelled onwards to an unscheduled stop in Rio de Janeiro (because of time wasted by that terrible storm) . Finally, we headed for Lisbon and then Vigo before reaching our destination of Southampton. I hope this is of historical interest to the others who were on that journey which was the 1st passenger ship in 60 years to travel that direction from Australia as most ships went via the Cape of Good Hope not Cape Horn. We were told that the Angelina Laura was supposed to have followed but it was cancelled because of those dangerous storms. 84.68.160.205 (talk) 18:22, 8 March 2022 (UTC)