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I removed the bit about Tun Mahmud Mahyuddin being promised independence by the Brits: the only source is a rather dodgy "flags of the world" website from which the original sentence was lifted: [1]. Markalexander100 08:21, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't we move this article to the Malay spelling Patani? I also added a book I am currently reading, probably I will enlarge the article a bit once finished. andy

Googlefight come out 32-30 [2], so I suspect it doesn't matter. It would be a nice lazy way to create the redirect though ;) . Markalexander100 08:53, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

A redirect would be helpful for sure. But as Pattani is the Thai spelling (well, the standard romanized version of the Thai spelling), while Patani is the spelling usually used by Malay sources I think an article about the dominantly Malay history would better fit in the Malay spelling. But both is fine to me. Should we turn Pattani into a disambig page like Ayutthaya? andy 08:57, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't have strong feelings about it either, but you could argue that since the kingdom's territory was in what is now Thailand, the Thai spelling is more appropriate. I don't know which spelling the people there use themselves. While we're at it, there's some overlap (and some dispute) between this article and Pattani separatism; the historical content of the latter should probably be moved over here. Markalexander100 09:05, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The spelling "Patani" has been used in the European languages since 15th.Century. I have seen a printed article written in 1680s in English with the spelling. I who live in Patani Raya (Patani region) I would always cry when I see my region called Pattani (a name of a province) and my language Pattani Malay. NO. My language is Patani Malay. --Pataniraya 21:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Patani/Pattani kingdom was not exclusively in what is now Thailand - it covered several current southern Thai provinces and a northern portion of modern peninsula Malaysia. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2014

Care should be taken of the spelling. Patani (one t) is used to describe the country while Pattani (two t:s) is used to describe the province.130.243.190.61 (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Change article title to Patani Kingdom

It seems that the article title has been misspelt. Pattani is normally used for the province in modern Thailand, while Patani is normally used for the historical place, for example the sources in the article mostly use the spelling of Patani. I propose that we move the article to Patani Kingdom. If you have any opinion on this please contribute and I can start the process rolling if there is no strong objection. Hzh (talk) 18:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the above exchange from way back in 2004, it doesn't appear there was any strong reasoning back then. The subsequent comments seem to agree. You can probably just go ahead. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:10, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll wait for a little while just in case someone else wants to chime in before attempting to move. If I can't move it directly then I request it at WP:RM. For those interested, there is a brief discussion on the use of Pattani/Patani - [3] pages 28-29. Also in a number of books, the different usage of Pattani/Patani is explained - [4][5][6][7][8][9]. Hzh (talk) 09:32, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 23 July 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Page moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:02, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pattani Kingdom → Patani Kingdom – This should not be a controversial move, given that the great majority of sources (see the cited sources in article, e.g. [10][11][12]) spell the kingdom or sultanate as Patani rather than Pattani. However, I recognise the potential for dispute given the possible political interpretation of the spelling - briefly "Patani" (one "t") is a spelling preferred by the native Malays (who may desire separation from Thailand), while "Pattani" (two "t"s) is used by the Thai authority - [13], hence I'm listing it for discussion. In academic circles, the consensus appears to be that "Patani" should be used for the historical place/kingdom, while "Pattani" should be used for the modern province, a discussion on the usage of Pattani/Patani is given here in pages 28-29. You can also find notes and explanations given in various books for their differing usage - [14][15][16][17][18]. Changing the name to "Patani Kingdom" would be consistent with academic usage. Hzh (talk) 14:12, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, per nom and the above discussions. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:11, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Change article name from Patani Kingdom to Patani Sultanate

Patani Kingdom ----> Patani Sultanate or Sultanate of Patani as that name would be more historically accurate and linguistically accurate to the Malay language Firstxlwu8 (talk) 17:56, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many of its most important rulers were called rajas, not sultans. Many sources called this Patani kingdom, somewhat more than Patani Sultanate - [19]. This is an article in English, so its usage in English is more relevant than its use in the Malay language. Using linguistic argument based on Malay is faulty, like those who want to change the title of its rulers to Ratu instead of Raja (e.g. Raja/Ratu Hijau) - most if not all English sources say Raja, so Raja it is. There is no clear reason to move. Hzh (talk) 10:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Pattani

File:Flag Of Pattani.svg is this a real greater state, ethnic, independence movement or political party flag of Pattani? Circesling (talk) 17:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You uploaded it and claimed it as your own work, you should know what it is. Remsense聊 22:29, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]