Talk:Porfirio Díaz

ejido

I would like to see a link from "collectively owned lands" to an expanded definition, i. e. a wikipedia entry, on 'ejidos.' How did collectively owned lands vary from tribe to tribe, or state to state? How much of the ejido law was based on tribal law, how much on other, possibly Spanish or Basque traditions? How was it codified? Who was the head, minister, or director, of the rurales? Did they fall under the military, or under another department?

--J.P. Padilla-Santoscoy

ejido is certainly a topic we could use a good article on. -- Infrogmation 05:31, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Party

Did Diaz belong to a political party? If so, what was it called and what was its official platform? Dinopup 15:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In the 1860s he belonged to the Liberal party under Juarez, but when he became prez he seems to have followed his out rout, eschewing parties--Dudeman5685 02:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Grito de Dolores: September 15th ? 16th ?

On Talk:Grito de Dolores, Porfirio Díaz is "accused" of changing the date of Grito de Dolores to celebrate his birthday on the same day. Is this true ? -- PFHLai 07:11, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

User:Hajor has a detailed answer to this question on Talk:Grito de Dolores. -- PFHLai 18:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Incomplete

There is a 20 years long gap between 1853 and the begin of his first term as president. What were his activities? there is also no explanation on the time between 1880 and 1884. why wasn't he president in those years? how did he seized power? was he regularly re-elected or he changed the constitution and/or the electoral law? this article, as it is now, is seriously incomplete. GhePeU 17:11, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Some of this stuff got deleted for some reason. I reinserted a chunk - is it satisfactory? Graft 17:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

I've restored the information about his later life. Someone had deleted it back in March, and replaced it with a link to the Mexican Revolution, which is certainly not sufficient. It was apparently lost among the vandalism fixing. I'm getting annoyed with all the vandalism reverts that don't take the minute to properly restore the original information... Mysterius 21:33, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

In regards to his ethnicity, I recall reading that he was part Zapotec, not Mixtec. I'll look for that source. Palenque 06:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to look up my sources, but as I recall he was meztizo Mixtec. Definitely not pure Mixtec, pureblood Mixtecs (or Zapotecs, for that matter) can not grow mustaches like Diáz had. He was from Oaxaca, but not particularly well commemorated there. Tubezone 06:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

That mustache comment is bizzare (and innacurate), just as a note. Anyways the source for the his (partial) Zapotec ancestry is in Mexico: From the Olmecs to the Aztecs (ISBN: 0500272573) by Michael D. Coe. It's not an authoritative source on Diaz obviously so it may be a mistake. Palenque 06:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Bizaare but true, full blooded native americans, AFAIK, don't grow facial hair. You're probably right about the Zapotec thing, I'm just going from memory. Tubezone 06:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what AFAIK means. I'm not sure about the facial hair thing either, Olmec stauettes show facial hair, as does some Maya art. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe facial among Native Americans is rare, but not unheard of. Palenque 06:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC) I just looked up afaik :)...

As Far As I Know. Old Usenet shorthand. I worked for several years in and around the Navajo reservation in New Mexico, that's where I got the thing about no facial hair from. Pureblood Navajos do not grow facial hair, are born with a full head of hair, and do not go bald. Also, if you note, no extant picture of Benito Juarez (a full blood Zapotec and on the 20 peso note con razon) shows him with facial hair, nor do typical images of Native Americans from the era. Diaz was part Japanese (thus his maternal surname, Mori). Most Japanese folks I know can grow a mustache, but a full goose bozo Arab or Russian style beard would be pretty rare. Tubezone 07:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Where did you get the information that he was part Japanese? I've never seen this suggested anywhere outside of this article. Also, there is a photo of Diaz's mother on the Spanish version of the article and she doesn't look particularly Japanese, nor is it mentioned that she is. Therefore, I suggest that it be removed unless it can be verified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.194.72.243 (talk) 11:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

From what I've read he wanted to stress his Spanish blood and downplay his native Indian blood, even going so far to wear powder to lighten his skin. That would make some sense considering his efforts to make Mexico more like a European country.Saxophobia (talk) 21:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Images

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Porfirio Díaz

Porfirio Díaz

Also, why is the one section entitled "...and human exploitation". I see no reference to human exploitation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.186.103.216 (talk) 19:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

General Don Porfirio Diaz Mory did not lead a cavalry charge in the battle of Puebla...

This article mentions that the General did so, but it does not specify as to what battle of Puebla was it. There was one in the 5th of May(famous 5 de Mayo) in which the General was in charge of a brigade that repelled the French forces that attacked the land between the two fortresses of Loreto and Guadalupe. The General's Brigade stopped the French, pulled them back and then chased them despite of being ordered by General Zaragoza to hold their ground. General Diaz was praised for bravery for his contributions in the Battle of Puebla(5th of May). This can all be found in the Biography written by General Bernardo Reyes.

There was another Battle of Puebla which was the siege of Puebla later on after it had been taken by the French, in this Battle General Díaz DID lead a fiece cavalry charge against artillery IIRC.

Bernardo Reyes

Reyes did not at all try to run for president in 1899; there wasn't even an election that year. And he wasn't exiled then either. He was appointed minister of war in 1900 and became governor of Nuevo León for the third time in 1902. It wasn't until 1910 before he made clear his ambitions to become president (and he never officially posed his candidacy). He was sent to Europe so he couldn't run, but that wasn't really an exile. The most interesting of this, is that this error has been here for more than 4 years! So much for the 'self correcting nature' of Wikipedia. Mixcoatl 22:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Orders and Decorations

Any information on the orders and decorations worn by Diaz in his official pictures? I recognize the collar of the Order of the Bath in at least one and the star of the Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus in a couple. Any other lists of what foreign awards he was given?--Eva ^bd 15:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

This article's rating

I think this article should have a class="assess-b " style="color:inherit; background: #b2ff66; text-align: center; " | B rating. -dogman15 01:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Biography assessment rating comment

Nice article! I rated the article a B, but there still are a few remaining steps at WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps that you can take to improve the article (such as adding Wikipedia:Persondata). -- Jreferee 22:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

General officer or Lieutenant General?

In the article, at the section of 5 de mayo Battle, the article asses that the militar grade General de División is equivalent to the Lieutenant General in modern times. It is not possible, becausein that time this was the major grade of the Mexican Army. The equivalent grade may be the General officer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Betoqa (talk • contribs) 04:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

end date of Presidency

In the infobox it states he was President until May 5, 1911. But he officially stepped down after the signing of Treaty of Ciudad Juarez, which was signed on May 21st, a few days after, on May 25 [1]. Is this either a typo or someone with too much Cinco de Mayo on their mind? Correctin'...radek (talk) 01:59, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Introduction

The introduction of this article doesn't seem to really follow standard wiki/encyclopedic form. Why does the fact that he was a volunteer in the Reform War precede that he was Mexican? Or that he was President of Mexico? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.215.254.233 (talk) 00:29, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Importance of land ownership transfers during the Porfiriato

In 1913 there were many Americans who owned stunningly huge tracts of land in Mexico that had been acquired during the Porfiriato—the 35 years of the reign of Porfirio Diaz, 1876-1911. American land ownership in Mexico totaled about 130 million acres, more than 27 per cent of Mexico’s land surface. Forty-six American companies or individuals owned properties between 500,000 and 7,500,000 acres in size. More than 100 of the holdings were between 100,000 and 500,000 acres in size, and hundreds of Americans claimed tracts of 10,000 to 100,000 acres.

REFERENCES

(1) John Mason Hart, Revolutionary Mexico—The Coming and Process of the Mexican Revolution, (Los Angeles and London: University of California Press, 1987) p. 158

(2) John Mason Hart, Empire and Revolution, The Americans in Mexico Since the Civil War, (Berkeley, Los Angeles, and London: University of California Press, 2002) pp 513-530. This list is a conservative listing of properties known to have been owned by U.S. citizens and companies. Notably omitted are millions of acres owned by American railroad companies.

(3) Revolutionary Mexico, ibid, p. 160 Texas Star Thrower 13:15, 12 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zambaman (talk • contribs)

References

Cientificos

It looks like this article doesn't mention the Cientificos, the "circle of technocratic advisors to President of Mexico Porfirio Díaz". —suzukaze (t・c) 13:41, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

lede is clearly non-NPOV

"Díaz is a controversial figure in Mexican history, with the status of villain among the revolutionaries who overthrew him, and something of a hero of capitalism in the business community. The Porfiriato was marked by corruption and bloodshed of unprecedented scale in Mexican history. Economic growth mainly benefited Díaz' close allies such as small political groups, family and accomplices government posts such as heads of army units, Mexican states as well as foreigners such as the Rockefellers, Hearsts and Guggenheims of the time. Díaz in turn would require a percentage of their tax earnings, amassing a large personal fortune. His preference for heavy investment in mining and railways from American and British business follow the same purpose of corruption. However, Díaz's regime grew unpopular due to civil repression and political stagnation. His economic policies furthermore helped a few wealthy estate owning hacendados acquire huge areas of land, leaving rural campesinos unable to make a living; thus creating the most repressive and longest institutionalized regime ever to plague Latin America with subsistence wages for the Mexican peasantry. Most mexicans indian natives were literally dying of overwork perhaps in worse conditions to the black slaves in the United States. The main result was the institutionalized slavery system and corruption that marked the country for decades. This directly precipitated the Mexican Revolution, in which Díaz fell from power after he imprisoned his electoral rival and declared himself the winner of an eighth term in office. Díaz fled to France, where he died in exile four years later. He is buried in Montparnasse cemetery in Paris."

come on, this is amateur work. making a biased wiki article takes more care than this 86.142.220.21 (talk) 04:01, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Why don't you offer a sample of how it should look like it instead?Gumbi93 (talk) 19:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Section on Diaz's and the Catholic Church

 I'm not a member, and I'm not experienced with editing Wikipedia, but the section which says that his being a Freemason did not necessarily put him at odds with the Church is wrong. Numerous popes have stated that Freemasonry is opposed to the Church and her teachings. His membership in a secret society such as the Freemasons did put him at odds with the church.

I hope someone does edit this. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.246.58.94 (talk) 04:43, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Controversy with Spanish wiki

I don't know Spanish, but Google helps, and I can compare articles in English and Spanish wikis. There is one controversy, regarding his age of entering the seminary:

1. English: "Díaz began training for the priesthood at the age of fifteen when his mother, María Petrona Mori Cortés, sent him to the Colegio Seminario Conciliar de Oaxaca"

2. Spanish: "En 1843, Porfirio ingresó al seminario, comenzando con un bachillerato en artes." Recalling that he was born in 1830, we get that he should be no more then 13 when he entered the seminary.

Who is correct here? I think that Mexicans should know better their leader's biography. Therefore I believe Spanish wiki to be correct here. Sirmax07 (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

5th of may 2015 movie

in the popular culture, i want to add that a young díaz (played by Pascacio López) plays a minor role in the 2015 movie 5 de mayo: la batalla. this is the latest portrayal in film of him. and before that, he was the central figure (though minor role) in the tv series "el encanto del aguila". which is a quasi remake of el vuelo del aguila.

is imdb an acceptable source for this adds?KRISHANKO (talk) 04:45, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

yes Gumbi93 (talk) 19:36, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Socks

Underwritten and Morrister were socks. The master also uses IP. Doug Weller talk 15:02, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Leo Tolstoy?

I'm trying to Google Leo Tolstoy's praise of Diaz, but nothing comes up. I think this should be removed. 5.18.239.1 (talk) 22:25, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

The cited source indeed states the claim (see [2]), but its reliability is possibly questionable, so I tagged the sentence with {{better source needed}}. Janhrach (talk) 13:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)