Talk:Give me liberty or give me death!

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Effect of the Speech

The article asserts,

[Henry] is credited with having swung the balance in convincing the Virginia House of Burgesses to pass a resolution delivering the Virginia troops to the Revolutionary War.

Did Henry convince the House of Burgesses or the Convention? If the former, was it persuaded by a speech given in the Second Convention, or by one given in that House? It seems odd for the article to credit a speech given in a convention, sitting in Richmond, with persuading the House of Burgesses, sitting in Williamsburg, to do anything. If that's indeed what happened, there should be a little more explanation.
What was the resolution the body in question passed? Surely not one "delivering the Virginia troops to the Revolutionary War"! Presumably the troops were to be delivered to the Continental Army, or to the Continental Congress, not to the war.

I would appreciate it if somebody more knowledgeable than I would clarify these points in the article. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 19:33, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Speech

The article vaguely hints that there are doubts about the authenticity of the published version of the speech, but says nothing definite about that. The history of the speech's making and its publication should be given in the article. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 17:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The primary source in this section seems to imply, but doesn't confirm, that the version printed in the Port Folio and the biography are the same version. Does anybody know:

Whether they are the same?
1. If so, was Wirt the author of this version of the speech or was that written by someone else that Wirt is instead quoting? (The first seems implied by context, but it seems worth explicitly confirming.)
2. Was the Port Folio explicitly excerpting Wirt's yet-to-be-published biography, or did Wirth write it as an article that he also included in the book?

I'm mostly asking these questions to see whether the two sentences can be combined into one by saying the Port Folio excerpted the book, but I don't want to do that without confirming this as true. Trevortni (talk) 19:51, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Full Text of the Speech

@Jarnwine: has added the full text of Henry's speech into the empty section I created, headed "Henry's Speech". I have deleted it, even though it clearly was added in good faith, because I don't think it's appropriate to quote the whole speech in the article--that's a primary source and it belongs on Wikisource. My purpose in creating the "Henry's Speech" section was to invite somebody to give the history and circumstances of the speech, not the speech itself. In that context, quoting a passage from the speech, such as the climactic final paragraph, would be appropriate. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 16:02, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have renamed the "Henry's Speech" section to "Delivery" in hopes that people will quit putting the text of the speech there. My purpose in creating the section was to invite somebody to outline the history of the speech—the occasion for it, the question on which it was delivered, a description of Henry as he made the speech, a description of the audience during the speech, all that kind of thing, for which I'm quite sure reliable sources exist. J. D. Crutchfield | Talk 16:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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