Talk:Advance-fee scam

RACISM is important!

The user "Ergo Sum" who has no background in computer science as well as social science, has deleted the parts related to racism. I believe s/he has intentionally done this. I will send a complaint to the higher level editors if the contents related to racism which are based on academic literature will be deleted again. S/he should be reported because of this behaviour. --WikiFairness2 (talk) 10:30, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Maybe if Nigeria wanted to stop being associated with the scam, they could try actually stopping these scammers? When a US-based scammer is identified, the US hammers them and there is a non-zero chance of the victim getting some of their money back (whatever the courts didn't seize themselves). In Nigeria, even in the rare instances where the scammer is stopped, and literally millions of dollars seized, the foreign victims never see a penny, at least according to 419coalition.org. Also, the assertion that someone should be "reported" merely for removing a section that they think is trivial and unrelated to the article at large really brings to mind various authoritarian hellholes, not a website that is supposed to be relatively free and open. Your pet issue is not any more important than anyone else's pet issues. 68.60.202.174 (talk) 03:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the signed comment. Stop whitewashing what everyone knows is a scam made famous in a country that has little control over its own laws. Additionally, the majority of people doing this out of Europe are African as well. People need to wake up and stop pretending that everything is racist, racist, racist. Alexandermoir (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I meant unsigned comment. It autocorrected. Alexandermoir (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

1 opinionated paper doesn't mean anything. even 1 un-opinionated paper doesn't mean anything. 1 paper is not equivalent to 'literature'. Not only that, it was talking about anti-Afropolitanism, not racism. 92.6.110.12 (talk) 09:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

At times it may be necessary to indicate a geo in discussing an issue. West African fraud may be a better term though, even though different countries in the area shows different markers. As an example, 419-scammers from Ghana practice Sakawa, while their scams shows a propensity to use porn pictures to entrap victims in romance scams with associate blackmail. 419 scammers from Benin have a propensity again for loan scams. While West African scammers are also involved in romance scams at epic proportions, we also see romance scammers in the Philippines and Russia at these same proportions, yet each geo has different markers. The Cameroonian non-delivery scam is something totally different again and not a 419-scam, yet still advance fee fraud. Likewise we see the South African tender scam which originated due to the cross pollination of expats from the Cameroon and Nigeria evolve a unique modus operandi that where South African business were vulnerable. This scam was later further refined by "sangoma" scammers from Uganda. A geo should not be seen as critique or blame against a region, rather an identifier that assists us understand what the identifiers are.

Delete "cash-handling scam" subsection?

It's 300 words and zero citations. It also is a bit opinionated. I think whoever wants to keep it should be given a few days to clean it up a bit or have it deleted. Thoughts? 108.48.21.64 (talk) 05:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Me again. I'm getting rid of it immediately after this post since noone has fixed the problems identified or argued to preserve the section 108.48.21.64 (talk) 08:20, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Seeking editors: needs improvement (readability/active voice, broad v. cases)

All, this is a great article. Unfortunately, it is written very poorly. I fixed dozens and dozens of LAZY grammatical errors–it appears to be written by a middle school student, in general. Further, I highly recommend an editor to consolidate the excessive number of case studies (specific quotes for specific incidents) into a broad, generalized case which then cites the sources (i.e., in lieu of direct quotes x3+ paragraphs). Please help because this is an important article!

Thanks!

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Gobucks821 (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Editing/translating scams

I hope a reliable source citation can be found for this because I've twice been personally targeted. The first was people falsely representing Dover Books wanting to ire me as an editor. The second found me on guru.com and hired me to translate a document into French. After I had translated eight of the 44 pages, the cashier's check came on President's Day for four times the agreed upon amount, whcih he said was to prepay me for further translation. The "client" was far more interested in me depositing the check, specifically at an ATM, than continuing the translation work. The payer's name on the check was a car dealership in Pasadena, Texas. The bank, Moody National Bank did not have their name preprinted on the check, nor was the phone number anywhere on it. I called their customer service, and they told me that no cashier's check with that check number had been issued. I later discovered in my e0mail that Guru.com had deleted them on the same day I accepted the assignment for violating the site's terms of service. I was suspicious as soon as I got the assignment because it seemed a little sketchy, but at least all I did was waste time on the translation. It seemed odd that he was willing to pay someone who doesn't normally do translation work to do a translation rather than hire a professional service or use Google Translate. I generally avoided using it in making my translation unless he used an idiom that my French-English dictionary did not include.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 20:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

DIR

This excessive list of further reading violations WP:NOTDIR. I removed all but the first three (no particular reason for choosing the first three). If you feel I removed a more important one feel free to replace it, but do not add back more. Adding here per WP:PRESERVE. Thanks!

• Apter, Andrew (2005). "The Politics of Illusion". The Pan-African Nation: Oil and the Spectacle of Culture in Nigeria. Chicago: University of Chicago Press. ISBN 0-226-02355-9.
• Berry, Michael (2006). Greetings in Jesus Name!: The Scambaiter Letters. Harbour Books. ISBN 1-905128-08-8.
• Daly, Samuel Fury Childs (2020). A History of the Republic of Biafra: Law, Crime, and the Nigerian Civil War. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 9781108840767
• Dillon, Eamon (2008). "Chapter 6: The 419ers". The Fraudsters — How Con Artists Steal Your Money. Merlin Publishing. ISBN 978-1-903582-82-4. Archived from the original on 2013-05-29.
• Edelson, Eve (2006). Scamorama: Turning the Tables on Email Scammers. Disinformation Company. ISBN 1-932857-38-9.
• Ibrahim, S. (2016, June). Causes of socioeconomic cybercrime in Nigeria. In 2016 IEEE International Conference on Cybercrime and Computer Forensic (ICCCF) (pp. 1–9). IEEE.
• Tive, Charles (2006). 419 Scam: Exploits of the Nigerian Con Man. iUniverse.com. ISBN 0-595-41386-2.
• Van Wijk, Anton (2009). Mountains of Gold; An Exploratory Research on Nigerian 419-fraud: Backgrounds. SWP Publishing. ISBN 978-90-8850-028-2. Archived from the original on 2017-09-02. Retrieved 2019-09-17.
• Oriola, Taiwo A. (January 2005). "Advance fee fraud on the Internet: Nigeria's regulatory response". Computer Law & Security Review. 21 (3): 237–248. doi:10.1016/j.clsr.2005.02.006.
• Adogame, Afe (2009). "The 419 Code as Business Unusual: Youth and the Unfolding of the Advance Fee Fraud Online Discourse". Asian Journal of Social Science. 37 (4): 551–573. doi:10.1163/156853109X460192.
• Edwards, Matthew; Peersman, Claudia; Rashid, Awais (2017). "Scamming the Scammers" (PDF). Proceedings of the 26th International Conference on World Wide Web Companion – WWW '17 Companion. pp. 1291–1299. doi:10.1145/3041021.3053889. ISBN 978-1-4503-4914-7. S2CID 13435344. Archived (PDF) from the original on 2020-05-09.
• Akinladejo, Olubusola H. (24 July 2007). "Advance fee fraud: trends and issues in the Caribbean". Journal of Financial Crime. 14 (3): 320–339. doi:10.1108/13590790710758512.
• Onyebadi, Uche; Park, Jiwoo (21 February 2012). "'I'm Sister Maria. Please help me': A lexical study of 4-1-9 international advance fee fraud email communications". International Communication Gazette. 74 (2): 181–199. doi:10.1177/1748048511432602. S2CID 143777619.
• Walker, Glen; Adomi, Esharenana E.; Igun, Stella E. (3 October 2008). "Combating cyber crime in Nigeria". The Electronic Library. 26 (5): 716–725. doi:10.1108/02640470810910738.
• Whittaker, Jack; Button, Mark (September 2020). "Understanding Pet Scams: A Case Study of Advance-fee and Non-delivery Fraud". Australian & New Zealand Journal of Criminology. 53 (4): 497–514. doi:10.1177/0004865820957077. S2CID 224966263.

Jtbobwaysf (talk) 06:42, 23 December 2022 (UTC)